Interview of C. Elwyn Harris
Transcript Number 58
Today is May 8, 2001. Today we’re interviewing Elwyn
Harris of Chadburn, North Carolina. He retired after thirty years with the
United States Department of Agriculture and who, during World War II, served in
the U.S. Coast Guard.
ELWYN: I entered the
Coast Guard on October 21, 1941. I was working at the naval ammunition depot in Portsmouth,
Virginia. I had been there for approximately seven months and Captain Woods, who
was the commander of the ammunition depot, followed me up to his office and
said, “Have a seat Harris. I want to ask you some questions”. He says,
"What do you know about your draft board down there in Elizabeth City?"
I said, “Captain Woods, all I know about that board is Mr. C.J. Ballard is a
clerk”.
Well, he said, I want you
to know, he says, I spent a lot of money and time training you here, you just
got to the point that you have some value to us. He said, I have written three
personal letters to try to get you deferred because we need you. He said,
"We’ve got to get ammunition to fight this war.” He ran back in and says,
“Harris, I’m not going to tell you what to do, it’s none of my business, but
I’m going to tell you what I’d do if I were in your shoes.” He said that draft
board would never get me. He thought a minute, he said, “If you want the
afternoon off, you have my blessings.”
So, I did. I went over
to Norfolk, the recruiting station in Norfolk, Virginia,
at the Coast Guard recruiting station. Captain Midget was in charge of
recruiting at that time. I stated my case, told him my name and where I was
from. Well, he said we need a few men. We’ve got an opening on the Speedwell
and there were two or three others. Well, I knew about the Speedwell because I
had a relative that had served on that in prior years. So, I took that and he
gave me a rating of fireman, third class, $21 a month. They put me aboard ship
that same day.
I went across from Portsmouth
to Berkeley to get my uniforms and whatever that I needed and
came back and they put me aboard ship. I had to call my brother to come to Norfolk
from Portsmouth and pick up my car. It was out on the street. Two
days later, we went to Baltimore, Maryland, at the Coast Guard station there for a major
overhaul on the Speedwell. They stripped that thing down and mounted two .50
caliber machine guns on the stern of it and we were in there for four months.
We came out on February 1, 1942. That was the day we left out of Portsmouth
on our first patrol. Our patrol was from Lewis, Delaware, to Charleston, South
Carolina. We were in torpedo
junction. That was really a hot spot for the submarines.
The first day, well, we
went at it the first of February. Between Cape Henry and Hatteras, I
counted 23 sunken ships. They had rolled over and they looked like pyramids,
just about. Part of them was sticking up above water. That was sort of a
frightening sight for a little old country boy that had never been to sea.
But, it was interesting. We did our patrol and our main effort and mission was
age to navigation. We had to mark all of those buoys, we had to sound them
where they use the lead line to sound the position that it was laying on the
ocean floor and was charted. And, you could buy those charts and I feel sure
that the Germans felt we were helping them rather then hindering them.
But, we were in the
middle of submarines for about three years and it was rough out there. We did
a lot of rescue of personnel and a lot of them were dead, aircraft and this
kind of thing. You see it’s a buoy tender, the Speedwell. It’s a work ship
that’s 172 feet long and I think our complement was 88 men. And, I ran the
hoist on it. We had a 40-ton hoist on there for practically three years. The
buoys that we planted, they were called a 938 which means they were 9 feet in
diameter and 38 feet long and they weighed 19 tons each. The sinkers or the
anchors that we used weighed 8,700 pounds. They were half sphere steel or cast
iron mooring. And if we were in rough water, especially around Hatteras, we had
to put an extra 4,000 pounds of concrete. But, they used three fathoms, more
of the chain than the depths. If you had 100 fathom of sea up there in the
ocean you had to put 300 fathom of chain.
INTERVIEWER: When you
said you did rescue work, it was sailors in lifeboats no doubt?
CHESTER: Right. Well, we picked up an English lifeboat
and the guys would latch their arms to the guns. I picked up that thing up
with the crane. And I think there were fourteen or eighteen, I forgot the exact
number, but that was an awesome sight. Only one guy was alive. We kept the
lifeboat aboard the Speedwell and the navy had a destroyer in the area and they
came by and picked up the bodies and carried them into Norfolk.
We picked up plane crashes there in Chesapeake
Bay; we picked up debris from that.
It was rescue as well as age and navigation.
INTERVIEWER: How did
they latch themselves, with guns?
CHESTER: I guess they were so bad off that and the seas
were so rough, that Atlantic Ocean was a rough place.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: Were they merchant marine sailors?
CHESTER: They were English merchant marines on that
particular one. But, there were many episodes out there that we assisted, then
the rescue units we would go out in. One night submarines got after a tug that
was towing two barges with rebar on it, and they liked to got him, he chopped
his hawser in two, we were moored right up there up at Nag’s Head. He had his
lights up there on us you know and said, "Man, you want us all to get
sunk?" But, we went out the next morning and righted the barges and got
the line up and turned it back over to the tug and they went on their way.
But, there was always something to do. We’d get a call at night that a buoy
was out at a channel, I know Nag’s Head, in particular, we had to go out there
several times. The channel buoy would be out and you would go fix it. Now,
it’s like fixing a stop light at the crossing of the streets. And, most times,
when you had late night calls you only had half a crew, so it was pretty tough
at times. But, we did the job and it was great.
He mentioned about the
Bulge, when I say we, I mean the Coast Guard, put up a mine swept channel out
of Cape Henry, it was 125 miles. It was straight out from Cape Henry.
It was a mine swept channel where they had staged all of the ships. There were
over 500 ships in Hampton Roads, the Hampton Roads area. I don’t know how long
it took to put those things out there, but we had to patrol it just before the
convoy started out. As we were coming back in after the rounding the end buoy,
the convoy was coming out. There were five abreast, I believe four or five
abreast ships. And, that was a sight to behold. Of course, the convoy is
always the speed of the slowest ship. It ran, I think, at about five of six
knots. The tankers had aircraft on them and it was just a sight. It’s
indescribable, really.
An interesting thing
happened after the convoy went out several months later. We had to take up
those buoys. So, we were working the head and I think there was four other
tenders that was working; Lotus, Speedwell, Casey, I believe. We had one that
one of the ships ran over and it sank. Captain Digg said, "I believe I can
find that thing." So we took a grappling hook and it made a run and we
snagged that thing and he got it. And, when they brought it up, that thing was
still flashing. It was about eight inches to a foot long. You know, marine
life on it like you wouldn’t believe and the reason it was still flashing;
those buoys were normally lighted with ________ gas, but this had batteries in
it. It didn’t hit the battery cage; it just punched a hole in the side and
sunk it. He got it up and we brought it in. But, it was an interesting
mission. I stayed on the Speedwell from October 1941 to July of 1945.
In 1945, I was
transferred to General Black, which was a troop transport. Captain Diggs
called me up in the office and said, Harris, “Do you want to get transferred”?
I said, No sir, I’m happy right here. I said I can’t get any better place then
this. “Well”, he said, “They called for you about six times,” he said “I’ll
keep you as my hoist man.” He said, “That’s how I kept you. But,” he said.
“You will go this time.” I said. “Well, I appreciate all the efforts that
you’ve done.”… And I did. So, I went aboard with General Black and that’s when
we really did the riding. It was a troop transport and we could haul. Well,
we brought the 30th division back from France of
5,000 men. But, our first mission, we went to Grabemhofchen (?), Germany
and carried the crew to man the Europa, the navy crew, 650 men. I
believe, navy crew men. We had a ragtag bunch. We carried some Red Cross
nurses to replace the ones in the LaHavre. We went over to LaHavre, France
from Grabemhofchen (?), there, we loaded the 30th division and came
back to Boston, debarked there and left and went to Calcutta, India.
We left, I forgot now the
dates that we left, but we came into Calcutta. I think it took us 54 days the roundtrip to Calcutta
and back to New York. We had a ragtag load that time. We had the Red
Cross nurses and different ones from different army units that were being
discharged from the military in whatever mission they had. But, that was an
interesting trip. We went down through the Mediterranean, the Suez Canal
and into the Red Sea. Now, the Red
Sea was 96 degrees. It was 135
degrees in the engine room where I was working. I had on nothing but a pair of
shoes and a pair of dungarees and water was running out of my shoes as if you
had a garden hose running down my back. That was a long, long trip. We came
back into New York and debarked the troops. I forgot the street now.
But, I was discharged in November of 1945. So, it was a little over four years
and seven days.
INTERVIEWER: And, you
went around the world, sort of speak?
CHESTER: Almost, yeah. The irony of it, I never got my
medal so, I did get the Atlantic, you know down in the engine and the Pacific Ocean;
good conduct medals, I never got that and I never got into any trouble.
INTERVIEWER: Did you
have any depth charges on the Speedwell?
CHESTER: Yeah, let me tell you about retro fitting us in
the Coast Guard base in Maryland. They retrofitted that thing with 250 caliber
machine guns and they put ash cans on it, depth charges on the stern. When we
were out there in the middle of all these submarines, Captain Diggs said, I’m
not going to roll one of those things off, and said I’m not going to blow
myself out in the water. You see, our maximum speed on the Speedwell was
thirteen knots. It was slow. But, I was telling him a while ago that we had an
escort, a 333 or 383. Anyway, they had been ahead of us and you know how an
escort does, he’ll go ahead and he’s back. He travels back and forth. He’d
gone up and come back and of course, we were ahead of him then. On the way
back, he opened up one of his radios, he did send a code, he said we’re being
attacked and that submarine that surfaced did _____ and the guys that had taken
_______ over the Speedwell the night before while we were at morning sea. So,
we were out there in the middle of it and we reported something, I mean two or
three times which it didn’t happen.
INTERVIEWER: Did you
pick up the crew of the escort? What happened?
CHESTER: Oh, there was a navy destroyer in the area. I
forgot, several of them got killed.
INTERVIEWER: What kind
of a ship was escorting the destroyer?
CHESTER: The escort was one of these yachts that was turned
in. The Speedwell was eventually given to the Philippines. I picked up the
Raleigh paper one day and there was picture of it and the Speedwell was being
given to the Philippines. It was built in 1919. It was an old steam ship.
I was on the throttle, I guess it was for about two years and I came up from
the bottom to the throttle stand. When I came out, I was a first class
machines mate. That was my rank. They had my papers in for chief and tried to
get me to stay. I said, no, four years is long enough. I’m ready to get out.
But for a man wants to make a career, the Coast Guard is a great place to be.
It’s a good place to be.
INTERVIEWER: How did
they sink that escort? Gunfire?
CHESTER: Gunfire. Yeah, they surfaced and just used their
gun and sunk it. Yeah. I had an interesting….. And I witnessed this in Morehead City, and
Ray, I don’t know whether you remember the story of the German submarine
commander that came back to Morehead City and visited with the navy destroyer that sunk him.
But, we were coming out of Morehead City and there was this destroyer and he was making a
complete circle, rolling off his depth charges. He sunk the submarine right
there before we got into Morehead City.
INTERVIEWER: Yeah, I’ve
heard of that.
CHESTER: Then they stopped and picked up the survivors.
They killed several of them, but the skipper and I don’t know how many others
survived it. But, mattresses came up, oil came up, but that was a sight to
see.
INTERVIEWER: And, you
were there?
CHESTER: Yeah, we were coming out of the harbor. We were
out there a lot of times to patrol and we would pull into Southport
or Charleston, just to get a good night’s rest. We even pulled
in Georgetown when we got out of the submarine infestation so you
wouldn’t be on the edge. And you ran in blackout all the time at night. You
wouldn’t dare light a cigarette or flashlight or anything. Total blackout.
INTERVIEWER: And you
didn’t have that sophisticated, electronic equipment?
CHESTER: We finally got some of our own that we could
detect. They were more help to us than ___ to navigation because we could find
the ships that were sunk and chart them and plot them. It helped a lot. But I
didn’t finish the story about putting the armament on it, Ray. We saw a ship
turned over and we got an order from the district to fire on them and sink
them. Well, we had an old guy we called Guns, and he had polished those guns
from day one for four months and they had I think 50 gallons of antifreeze. It
was World War I vintage, 50 calibers. It had handlebars on it like a bicycle.
Captain Diggs said, all right Guns, pull your covers and fire. (Laughter)
He’d pull the trigger and one would go wham, one shot. And, we had I think
three 12-gauge shotguns and a 45 revolver. Now, we were prepared for war
(laughter).
INTERVIEWER: Oh my.
CHESTER: But when we went back again, they put a 3 inch 50
on the bow and 20 millimeters; I think two or four 20 millimeters down on
either side of the ship. But there were some experiences out there. It was rough
ocean out there, especially this time of year, it’s smoothing out right now,
but in the winter months it’s awfully rough. Boy, Cape Hatteras
has never seen such rough seas. And fortunately, I never got seasick the first
day. We had one of those guys, his name was Ari. He weighed about 150 pounds,
a little towhead guy you know, and the minute Captain Diggs put that ship’s bow
out towards Cape Henry, he got seasick. I’ve seen him lying on the deck
and water washing over him and he was wishing he could die. Finally Captain
Diggs said, “All right, you’re not putting on”. He says “I’m going to take you
over and give you shore duty.” He said “you shouldn’t be punished like this”.
And he did, he put him ashore. It was interesting.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: Can we go back to that early day when you decided to enlist in
the Coast Guard, you said you spoke with a recruiter? What happened? Take it
step by step.
CHESTER: I told him who I was and wanted to see what they
were taking in. The Coast Guard was really desperate for men. I thought
surely they’d put me on patrol in the inland waterway because that was really a
spot they were afraid of. And, some did get in there. But I told him why I
was there. If they’re going to draft me and if I’m going to go down, I’d
rather go down and have it one time rather than drag me through a mud hole and
eat on the ground. I said I like to sit down at a table and eat. And, that’s
when he said I can give you a fireman’s rating, a third class fireman, and
that’s why and how I got aboard the Speedwell.
INTERVIEWER: Well, do
you know of anyone else that went in without any basic training?
CHESTER: Yeah, Roland Marshall from Berkeley.
He went in the same day and he was a seaman on the deck. We were out
patrolling one day, we were about 250 miles at sea and nobody to this day ever
knew what happened. I was on the throttles and all at once, there was a
violent slam, the skipper was turning the ship around. I think he just took a
side swell and a hatch door was open I think, because we were given an abandon
ship. And, man, everybody was scurrying around there and trying to get out of
there. The firemen ran out of the boiler room you know. I looked at my gauges
and I was losing steam so I ran them up and saw all the excitement. I looked
out, and they had tried to launch one of the cargo boats. We had two big cargo
boats that we’d take supplies out to the lighthouses; they had left the stern
fully loose. One guy, I won’t call him by name, had his gun strapped on him
and this Roland Marshall was standing there on the step up to the captain’s
quarters and he had a sheaf knife about like this and I had made up my mind, if
he went berserk, I was going to clobber him. I ran the steam up on that three
times before they decided we’re not hit.
We had the water tanks,
the fresh water we carried was what we called the skin tanks and I think we
carried about 55,000 gallons of water. Now, if this thing is hit, I won’t be
able to get caps back on it. I had these little caps that I could measure the
depths of the water in the tanks and I gingerly went into shaft and I took that
one off and no water came in. The engine room and the fire room were not hit
and we weren’t, but the skipper logged it as a drill (laughter).
2nd
INTERVIEWER: But to this day you don’t know what that loud bang was?
CHESTER: Nope. We never did.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: Could it possibly have hit something?
CHESTER: No, I don’t think it was because we were at such
a rough sea. Those doors, if they’re not hatched down, you know if you don’t
hatch them down, they will slam. But, it shook that ship whatever it was. It
was quite an experience there.
INTERVIEWER: And this
thing was cold-fired steam through?
CHESTER: No, it was all fired and steam driven and it had
two boilers. I could go crank that thing up to this day if I could get a hold
of it
INTERVIEWER: Built in
1919?
CHESTER: 1919, Allis Chalmers compound engine, steam
engines. That means it was a high pressure and a low pressure. And, of
course, a big old condenser in there, once you use the steam, you went back
across the coils and converted the steam back to water. And we carried enough
water that if we ran low. We could inject it into the boilers but it was steam
driven and it was a great ship.
INTERVIEWER: What was it
built for originally, do you know?
CHESTER: It was a minelayer.
INTERVIEWER: It was a
navy ship to begin with?
CHESTER: Navy ship originally, yeah. And you had to go in
about every six months. The navy has a way. We were strictly under the navy
in World War II. Of course, I didn’t serve on any navy ships. We used to take
diving crews out that were navy diving crews. And, those guys just tickled me;
they’d be back in the mess hall eating, “How in the world do you guys eat so
well?” “Well, you’re in the wrong outfit”. I said, “You should have come in
the Coast Guard.” I said “we’ve got a good skipper.” And we did. He was a
great man. I admired him to no end and he was good to all of his men. They’d
say, “We don’t eat like that in the navy,” they’d say. “We have these old beans
all of the time.” I said, “Well, we get good food and plenty of it and that’s
great.”
INTERVIEWER: How many
men did you say were on that thing?
CHESTER: 88.Tthat was the crew.
INTERVIEWER: How were
your living accommodations, crowded?
CHESTER: No, we had bunks, they were three high and most
of them were comfortable. Just regular old ship bunks and they had a rail
about eight inches high with a mattress on it. It was comfortable. And, in
the cold weather I didn’t have to worry about being cold in the engine room.
It was always hot down there.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: Was it entirely a Coast Guard crew when you went to France to
bring the troops back?
CHESTER: Yes. The Coast Guard manned a lot of ships in
World War II and troop ships in particular. I know the Leonard Wood and ??,
just to name a few. The Coast Guard is very well trained in small craft. They
could take the landing boats and could carry troops in on those. They had
those little LCI, Landing Craft Institute or something like that. They knew
that they were good at handling small craft. So, no we were strictly Coast
Guard. I believe that General Black, I’ve forgotten the compliment of that
ship, it was 552 feet long. I have a picture of it.
INTERVIEWER: I’d like to
see that.
CHESTER: Yeah, I’ll show that to you. We didn’t run with
an escort. We were an eighteen-knot ship so we didn’t have an escort. We ran
on our own out in the middle of the Atlantic
Ocean, Ray….
INTERVIEWER: Is this
with the General Black?
CHESTER: Yeah, and when
the war ended, we were right in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, we were three
days out. Then, it was after that that we went to Calcutta.
We were just bringing things back, bringing people back then.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: Did you go over to Calcutta empty?
CHESTER: No, we carried 600 Red Cross nurses to replace
the ones that were there. Incidentally, we carried, I believe I’ve forgotten
the number but it was over 500 WACS when we brought back the 30th
division. They were replacements for the ones that had been on duty. Of
course, this is after the war. But, they still had to clean up, mop up
operations to do. Yeah.
2nd INTERVIEWER:
And, you were in the engine room?
CHESTER: Yeah, and the
General Black in the Red Sea, that’s when I was telling you the temperature in
that engine room was 135 degrees.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: How long could you stand that?
CHESTER: Four hours. You were down there four hours. You
didn’t have air conditioning then. The General (William Murray) Black
was unique. It was built for the ?? lines. When the war was over and they
built them. They thought that they could roam in the Pacific, but it was too
hot. It was an open fire room. The boilers were after the engines. They
looked like tankers when you looked at them. But, we could hold 5,000 troops.
And, you don’t sit down to eat when you have that many, you all stand up. They
piled the tables up on the ?? Inside, at arm level where you can just stand and
eat. They had rotated shifts.
INTERVIEWER: Did you get
ashore in Calcutta any?
CHESTER: I got ashore for four hours. That was a strange
place. We went up to Hoogly River out in the Indian
Ocean to get in there, and on the way
up, I know there were at least six or maybe eight American industries on that Hoogly River with
that American flag flying. They seemed to be the most lonesome people. When
they’d see that ship with the American flag, they’d stand and wave from the
time they could see you until you were out of sight. It was interesting. I
had to take the bubonic plague shot and that’s the worst shot I’ve ever had.
It’s a skin shot. My arm looked like Popeye’s arm. That thing swelled up.
But, they had an outbreak of the bubonic plague two days before we went into Calcutta.
They warned us, be careful of the Gurkha troops. The Gurkha troops, they wear
that thing over their back, and if they ever draw the knife, they draw blood,
even if it means pricking their own skin. And Warren Steel, he was a buddy of
mine, he was a first class chief’s mate, we were walking down the street and I
stepped right in the middle of it. They sleep anywhere. And, of boy, I
thought this is going to be trouble but he just rolled over and didn’t bother.
But, it’s a unique
place. The Greater European Hotel there was the most modern and up-to-date
place I have ever seen in my life. And poverty plus, when we were going up, it
wasn’t uncommon to see a dead Hindu coming floating out of the river. Here
come a dead hog or a dead Brahman cow. Well, the Brahman cow is the sacred
animal over there and I don’t know how much you want to put in this, but when
the Brahman cow drops their droppings, the kids will run behind and catch the
dung. They take this dung and either lay it out and dry it and use it for
fills. They would take it in and coat their walls as a wall covering.
The army guys, the guys
with the jeeps saw us walking and said, you guys want a ride, and we said,
yeah, we’re tired of walking. He carried us around several places that we
wouldn’t have gotten to see. In the four hours, we saw a lot just by him being
there and knowing how to get around. But, you didn’t dare hit one of those.
If you ran into one of those Brahman cows and killed them it was your hide. It
was a sacred animal. But, how they got rid of the dead, they made a big pile
of wood and stacked it and put the Brahman up. And, then they’ll reach in and
soon enough an old bum bug come down and he reaches into a river and it was the
same color as the Tar River, yellow. Take that bucket of water and he’ll take
a shower with it and they’ll take it and cook with it, wash with it and you
know then why there’s so much sickness over there, dying young. The shock I
got; these Hindus will sit in a little cubicle, just big enough for him, maybe it’s
four feet. There was Pepsi Cola racked up behind him, I bet he had what would
be the equivalent of maybe three or four cases of Pepsi Cola.
INTERVIEWER: And, he was
selling those?
CHESTER: Yeah, he was selling Pepsi Cola. These little
old kids, they had these bamboo things. They looked like clarinets and they
could play them. And, Pistol Packing Mama, they were playing Pistol Packing
Mama just as pretty as you ever heard it. And two or three boys bought them
and they couldn’t get a note out of them. Never did. I never had time in any
of these countries we went to and at Bhavnagar, I didn’t even get off ship because I had duty there.
But, there was nothing there. That place, they blew it often, nothing was
there but a concrete base. In LeHavre, I was standing with pillboxes and the
flamethrowers that burned those things down. I did get a few souvenirs from
LaHavre. And I got a few in Calcutta, but very few.
When we came back to the
states, I believe we stayed on the New
York side then we went across the
river to Hoboken. I was aboard that ship for two weeks and we were
going back to Karachi. You see, you got points and sea duty gave you a
few extra points and of course, every day of my enlistment was sea duty. I
never got to do shore duty. Captain Jacobs was the skipper of the General
Blackwell. There was only two. Warren Steel and myself were the two first
class mates. He said, my compliment I will have three first class machine
mates and he said, Harris, you can’t go. I said, Captain Jacobs, I have been
at sea for four years and I have got the most points and I did. I had the most
points of anybody on the Blackwell. I said, "I do wish you could see fit
to let me go." And, they did. They finally let me go. I came down to Portsmouth;
they mustered me out in Portsmouth.
INTERVIEWER: You never
qualified on any weapons or anything?
CHESTER: Yes, I did. I almost forgot that. One of the
times while we were in for one of those six month overhauls checking out, they
said everybody is going to get some weapons for training. They carried me over
to Damneck? Which is out on Virginia
Beach and gave me a 30 alt 30 rifle?
And, I believe it was 30 rounds of ammunition. I fired the first five rounds
and never hit the target. The gun sergeant came over and said, hey sailor,
what’s wrong with your gun. I said, "You tell me, I’m not a gunnery
man." He fired and he missed it and said, well, no wonder, he said the
sight’s off and I said well, that’s pretty good reason. So then, he corrected
the sight and I bulls eyed the five shots and then when he gave me rapid fire,
my shoulder got in the way and he made me get in the sling. Did you ever have
to do that?
INTERVIEWER: Yeah,
twisted around.
CHESTER: Man, I had that thing and I was uncomfortable as
you could be. So, I lightened up and fired that thing the five rounds and the
next day my shoulder looked like a prune. It hammered me to the pieces. But,
that’s all the weapons firing that I did.
INTERVIEWER: Did you
ever fire the 30’s, I mean the 50’s on the ship?
CHESTER: We took them off and put the 20’s. Now, we had a
gunnery sergeant and he took care of that. Old Guns we used to call him. I
can’t even think of his name but he really thought he had a jewel there and it
wouldn’t fire.
INTERVIEWER: Did he ever
find out what was wrong with the machine gun that you couldn’t fire?
CHESTER: Yeah, they were World War I, vintage. Yeah, they
were World War I, fifty calibers. And, you know, I still say I think we won
the war in spite of them. But, my hat’s off to any guy in the Coast Guard.
They worked them hard and they are hard working. They are good people. The
crewman and the deckhand on the buoy tender, Ray, it’s worse than any hard
farming you can do. You have to serpentine that booring chain on the deck.
And, of course, it’s three times the depth of the water. And, those little old
chains, the lengths are about this long and about an inch in diameter. They
have, looked like tobacco cups, you know, like what we use for tobacco
baskets. That’s how they would play the chain up and down and then they would
hang the anchor over the side. They would tie it with about a four-inch
hoist.
When he got to the point
where Captain Digger wanted to drop that buoy, they took an axe. They chopped
that line and threw it right there and dropped it. You got everybody out of
the way when that that chain went off because boy, you’re talking about that
was a hazardous place to be.
Even though in those
three years I ran that hoist putting those buoys out, never had but one
occasion that had scared me to death. We had what you called the whip, which
was a single cable and then you had your double that was for the main and the
relief. I had one of those 938’s. We had just pulled it up and we were going
to replace it. About six of the deckhand were standing looking up at it, you
know, deciding how they were going to chain it and get it back on deck. That
cable breaks. They had just stepped back, not a one was hurt. But it knocked
a dent in that buoy pad. The buoy pad was a solid piece of steel just about
that square. It had to be because of the weight and the force that hit it when
you were at rough seas. I guess the good Lord was just looking after
everybody. One of those things that happened and it was great that no one got
hurt.
But funny things
happened. We had a call to go up to eastern shore. The main ___ _____ had
gone out and this guy Lawrence, he was exec at that time, that’s the one I was
talking about before, the one that’s got the stores. He took off and there was
mine fields, laying all out there at Cape
Henry. Instead of going the normal
route that was charted, he cut straight out to Cape Henry, I mean Cape Charles.
Boy, the army got on him, get the H out there, he said you’re going to get
blown up. He said, “Every light on the board is lit up.” You see, when you
went in and disturbed those mines, the board lit up, whichever mine that you
were bopping or disturbing. They had a net, Ray, across there at Hampton, Fort Wolf,
stretched across and you couldn’t come in because it was to catch submarines,
to keep submarines out. We had spent a night out there. We came in one
afternoon about 5:30 or 6:00 and they said there’s a sub in your wake. You are
not going through that gate tonight. So we had to sit out there where the sub
was. I guess he turned around and went out.
INTERVIEWER: The sub
went after you?
CHESTER: No, no. He wasn’t after us. He would like to
get in there at the naval base where he could do some damage, but none ever got
in there. You’ve heard this saying, you know, wouldn’t take a million dollars,
wouldn’t give a dime for another tour. I told my wife you know, I’d like to
have about six more months aboard the ship.
INTERVIEWER: You didn’t
get into the reserve after you got out Elwyn?
CHESTER: I was in the reserve when I went in.
INTERVIEWER: You joined
the reserve. Did you have active duty after you came out after your
discharge?
CHESTER: Nope. Came out and I never drew the 52/20. I
had a job waiting for me. The guy wanted me to start the next day. I said
no. I said, give me a couple of weeks. I think I stayed out three weeks. I
was Assistant Manager for MG Marcy, a French company, and I was there for
almost five years. I moved to Chadburn in 1949, February the 1st
and I’ve been here since.
INTERVIEWER: As a
reservist, you didn’t have to go to drills or anything?
CHESTER: No, I never went to drills (laughter).
INTERVIEWER: You ever
hear of anybody else like you? You said there was one other?
CHESTER: Roland Marshall was one of the others. Well,
yeah, Charlie Hinton and who, let’s see. There was another boy from down in
the Weeksville area, but they all got odd jobs. They got on these little boats
and patrolled the inland waterways and the rivers.
INTERVIEWER: So
technically, you never qualified, you never even knew how to salute?
CHESTER: Oh yeah, oh yes I did, you learn that quick. I
was coming out, had gone to my home in Elizabeth City, about an hour’s drive from Portsmouth
and I had a place that I had rented in a garage to park the car. This is after
I finally got settled on the ship. Maybe it was a year or so later and Captain
Manyon was the skipper of the buoy yard, the Coast Guard base in Portsmouth.
I was cold and I had my hands in my pocket and kind of hooched over like that
you know, and Captain Manyon there, and I went right on passed and he said,
“Young man, do you not know how to salute your superiors?” I said, “Yes sir”.
I gave him a salute and that was it. But I never had any problems.
INTERVIEWER: Did you
ever have any experience on the water before you went in the Coast Guard?
CHESTER: I grew up there in Elizabeth City, just
boating on the river there, never on any large ships. It was quite a change of
life for me, but I will say, I enjoyed it. You knew you were there for the
duration. You might as well like it. The ones that complained, I felt sorry
for them because they were so miserable. And that must be a hard way to live,
hating what you were doing.
Oh, I’ve got to tell you
about the Butterworth brothers, Charles and George Butterworth. They were
brothers and they were from Connecticut. No, Springfield, Massachusetts, I believe it was. Anyway, Charlie was a gardener
and everything had to be just right and George, he was one of the hell’s angels
type. He was a motorcycle guy and he was always raising cane. You never saw
them talking to each other except maybe once a month, a package would come,
they’d divide it. And, old George, he got transferred to another ship and he
was going to do a 20 millimeter; take out the powder you know and have a
souvenir and he exploded that thing and knocked his finger off. And, old
Charlie, I asked him one day, I said, do you ever hear from George? No, he
says, nobody knows, and we don’t have a whole lot in common. But Charlie, we
had an oil spill aboard deck where we had fueled one day and an old dude Austin
says, get your hand full of that waste over there and a bucket full of soap and
scrub off that oil. And this guy Travis, he was chief boatsman mate and as
good a seaman as you will ever find in your life. He knew the sea, he knew the
ships and he knew how to work men. And, he just teased the men all the time.
He’d say, boys, you never had it so good in your life. He said, you’re out
here, you’ve got money, and you can’t spend it. We didn’t even have a canteen
or anything like that. And they would go to cuss him and they would chip the
paint and took their frustrations out. He knew exactly what he was doing. And
old Butterworth, when he told him to clean up the oil, getting back to him, he
said, “Butterworth” he says (he was quartered because he had to scrub that oil
up), he says “There’s better days ahead”. He said, “You never had it so
good”. He backed up as far as he could, he took the water waste and he threw
it and it stuck to the bulkhead as if it were glue. And he cussed a streak.
He would turn the sky blue. I hate the Coast Guard; I hate every part of this
ship. I don’t know what ever happened to those guys. You know, you often
wonder because they were good shipmates and you’d like to know where they are
and what they’re doing. But I never see or hear from any of them (laughter).
INTERVIEWER: You do go
to reunions occasionally?
CHESTER: I did go to one. I went to one reunion in Portsmouth.
INTERVIEWER: And that
was with that ship only?
CHESTER: Yeah, the Speedwell crew. Captain Diggs was
there and I’ve forgotten the rest of the crew.
INTERVIEWER: You said
that was in ’71 or ’72?
CHESTER: Yeah, about ’72.
INTERVIEWER: And not all
of them were there?
CHESTER: No, no. I guess maybe ten or twelve. There were
ones that had ever served on there. Even back in the lighthouse days when it
was the lighthouse service rather than the Coast Guard.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: I always ask the veterans a final question. Well I make a statement
and then a final question. You’re never going to age one more day in your life
as long as you’re on this videotape.
CHESTER: That’s right.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: So, people that are going to see this are going to be your
grandchildren, or your children and your grandchildren, and your great
grandchildren.
CHESTER: I only have one.
2nd
INTERVIEWER: That’s all it takes. I want you to look right into the camera
and answer the following question. What did you learn from being in the war
that you would like your grandchildren to know? What did it all mean?
CHESTER: It all means, and I have been a little
disappointed. I thought we were preserving the American way and we knew we had
a reason to be there. There was an enemy and there was a cause. I did not
hesitate to do my part. To this day, I’m glad I did. As I said, I made the
best of it and I tried to be as good a citizen aboard that ship as I was on
land and that is the secret of it.